BioWare’s Upcoming MMO Based in KOTOR Universe
A source close to BioWare confirmed to us today that the studio’s upcoming untitled massively-multiplayer online RPG will be centered around the Star Wars universe, specifically that of Knights of the Old Republic, which the developer released in 2003. The game garnered critical acclaim and spawned a less-popular sequel, released by Obsidian two years later.
The game is being developed by the company’s Austin studio, formed in 2006 and headed by BioWare Creative Director James Ohlen, whose past credits include the first KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, and Baldur Gate’s I and II.
This is not the first Star Wars-related MMORPG: Star Wars Galaxies debuted in the summer of 2003, followed by several expansions. It was generally well-received by fans and critics, but subscriber numbers plunged and never recovered after a controversial gameplay update in 2005. It’s estimated that the game now has fewer than 100,000 subscribers and less than 20,000 active players.
It’s currently unknown whether or not EA, which acquired BioWare last week, will act as publisher for this title, or if the studio had a previous arrangement with another publisher.
Expect the game sometime in 2009.
Editor’s Note- As no media from the game has yet been made available, the screenshot above is from the first KOTOR title.
Editor’s Note 2- We’ve gotten several emails asking about the validity of this news. The only rumors we post here at Primotech will explicitly be stated as such.
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KOTOR Online!
HELL YEAH!
this will be great
This is a must get if it’s better than SWG! hehe can’t wait…
Thank You Alex Petraglia
It is great that we can see the next chapter of KOTOR legend, and online!
cant wait for this..
Man I hope this is for real. Cmon official annoucement
KOTOR III will be a MMO ? Sorry but, this is a bad news.
Every saga has an end. I love KOTOR I&II and I want a last RPG in this univers.
I’ll proably give it a try as I am still playing swg and enjoy it this might be fun.
Terriffic news, but its still 2 years till its released and MMOs are notorious for slipping
[...] Primotech reports that it has been confirmed to them that the MMO will be based around the KOTOR world and: The game is being developed by the company’s Austin studio, formed in 2006 and headed by BioWare Creative Director James Ohlen, whose past credits include the first KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, and Baldur Gate’s I and II. [...]
Good I hope it puts Galaxies out of business. Those sony devs have messed that game up so bad it’s ridiculous.
like there isnt enough mmo’s out there already and more on the way, who’s gonna have time for them all, i would rather have a regular rpg. not something a company wants to make money off of month after month.
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MMO means no actual grand finale for the kotor series. and this sux. instead of getting a nice story (and my hopes were rather high once I played kotor 2 - far better than the first), we’ll just get an endless “kill and repeat” thingie. I certainly hope this proves untrue.
random thought: the main story for the MMO goes like this: once there was a twilek whore named bioware, which sucked the dick of the EA android
KOTOR ONLINE will be awasome,
we want OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT !
I think this is exactly what the star wars mmorpg community needs. Unfortunatly i have to agree that galaxies has been royally screwed up, even though i play simply cuz there is NO alternative, this will give fans a nice alternative and hopefully they will listen to what the fans want instead of deciding to make huge changes that mess up game play and cause ppl to leave. I hope they have 3 or 4 factions, maybe sith, jedi, republic, and mandalorian that would rock.
Omg.. This will be cool… but please… WE NEED Jedi academy movement…w
[...] Primotech is reporting that their sources (you know, the ones "close to BioWare") have confirmed that the company’s upcoming MMO is indeed set in the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Universe. [...]
I hope to god they keep the strategic elements of SW:KOTOR, as well as the turn based awesomeness that made this game what it was. Look forward to more news =-D
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Nothing is mentioned about KOTOR III. All that is mentioned is that it’s probably set in the same timeline. I’m sure they’ll make KOTOR III still, but with the MMO, probably not for a while.
I love the idea of a KOTOR MMO and I’ll be subscribing
Sam.
I’d be happy with any sci-fi based jmo these days. Star wars would be Amazing but anything different to all this garbage fantasy stuff we have had for the last ten years is abreath of fresh air!
Bioware have funded this themselves so in all likelihood wouldn’t of needed to get a publisher so soon. End of the day, star wars is probably the. Biggest licence out there and deserves a good developer working on it. Bioware would be my number one choice and no doubts Lucas’s too as the fans have. Been asking for this for years! When swg came up for tender a couple years back it seemed Lucas went with Sony simply as a do over until the next project was ready. It does make sense but we will just have to wait until it is officially announced.
One thing is for sure though: a star wars mmo WILL rise again. Here is to hoping it’s bioware’s baby heh
Another point, just read the guy/girl above.
None of your points are any good.
1) KotOR series?! Who mentioned the KotOR series? I heard it was based on the timeline in the same time. It’s not KotOR, just based in that timeline. That’s like saying Halo can’t be made because Doom own the rights to that year.
2) EA aren’t stupid. At all. If they want to publish this game, they wont get the rights, meaning no profit. If one of their sub-companies builds it, then LucasArts publish, they still make profit. Some is better than none.
3) No evidence?! Do you know how competative the computer games industry is? I’m a programmer, I know from first hand experience, it’s tough. The guy is semi risking his job by telling us this, let alone stealing evidence from the office to satisfy you.
Yes, take the report with a pinch of salt and don’t read it as gospel. But it is possible. It’s perfectly feasable for this to be in production. Is it? I’m not sure LucasArts would want a competator to Galaxies, but with the ever-failing MMORPG, they may be making this to pull some of the fans back. If it does come out, I’ll be jumping on the band-wagon, if it doesn’t, I won’t be that disappointed. Many other great MMO’s coming out soon. Just don’t get your hopes up for a KOTOR MMO. But as someone else mentioned above, screw KotOR, where the hell’s Jedi Knight 4?!
Sam.
Hell yes!
yeah, I’m hopping this will put the nail in the coffin of SWG.
i hope this will good
but i have more faith for this company then SOE ^^
if its good i can finaly say
R.I.P SWG
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Knights of the Old Republic Online…
I want to squee like a fangirl.
This sounds awesome. Please make it not suck….
KOTOR ONLINE FTW!
where is the official announcement ?
<3
Bioware made a shit decision a couple years ago when they allowed Obsidian to make the Sequal (the Sith Lords), damn near destroyed the Kotor Franchise. Personally I enjoyed Kotor || very much, but glitches and fading fan support killed the game. An MMO based in the KOTOR universe is an amazing idea, however, KOTOR ||| will need to be a console based game whereas the MMORPG will obviously be PC. Im not trying to damper anyones day (hell i just printed this entire page out so i can take it to my GameStop in a couple hours) but if Kotor ||| is not an Xbox 360 title I (and many other huge KOTOR fans) will always find it hard to forgive Bioware for makeing us fall in love with their game and then ripping from us a well deserved “BIOWARE” sequal.
Colemanzilla-Oh yes i work for GameStop…but Oh no you don’t know more then me.
P.S. Mass Effect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…oh also don’t forget the heavy rumors that bioware will be working on a Halo Rpg within the next 2 years. Which unfortunately would postpone the Mass Effect Trilogy.
P.S.S. Note to EA…you Fuck with BioWare…you Fuck with the Zilla and when you Fuck with the Zilla…you shall taste the BackHand of Justice Bitch.!.
noooooo now i have a desition to make, buy the kotor mmo or mass effect, i hate/love you biowere
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i can be reached on biowere.com as syneralex
I can’t wait for an official confirmation from Bioware and - if it’s true - more details about this game.
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Bioware began production on their super secret MMO in December ‘05, way before EA ever came into the picture.
Source - http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155486
In an Interview on October 11, 2007 at gamespot, the co-CEO’s stated that the unnamed MMO is the main reason for EA’s purchase and that “I can say one thing: It looks awesome! [Laughs.] We can say a second thing, too: It’s really fun to play. We’re already playing it. We were playing it just last week.” Thus confirming the game has been in development for nearly 2 years already.
Source - http://www.gamespot.com/news/6180866.html
Also, if you can remember at that time (12/05) a few press releases about kotor3 were leaked and quickly dismissed by Bioware as a hoax. Not to mention an interview with the writer for the kotor comic series, John Jackson MIller, that also came out in December ‘05 stating: “there’s going to be another Knights of the Old Republic video game for sure.”
source - last paragraph - http://www.newsarama.com/DarkHorsenew/StarWars/Knights/MillerKotOR.htm
A .pdf from the EA acquisition listing all the past and future games from Bioware - notice the New MMO doesnt have Owned IP checked - Meaning it is indeed a licensed IP, just like Star Wars or Dungeons and Dragons.
Source - http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/88/881/88189/items/264618/EAPres.pdf
Insiders knowing that Bioware being in production with another Star Wars MMO could be responsible for all the rumors flying around in early 2006 that SOE was loosing the Star Wars license, which may not be so false after all. I hate to think of SWG’s player numbers in 2009. That would be 10 years since SWG started production and could also very well be the end of the SWG/SOE license contract with Lucas Arts, just in time for its replacement.
Source - http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2586&Itemid=2
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The Engine - http://www.play.net/playdotnet/platform/home.asp
Service Backbone - http://www.perpetual.com/platform/
Processing Engine Part 1 - http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199902853
Processing Engine Part 2 - http://www.streambase.com/complex-event-processing.htm
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i would love to see them make this mmo but take their time… i mean like alot of time
also they could make a RPG next to it, where you play the normal KOTOR style, as a main char that is also in the MMO, the MMO gets the cannon ending, and the RPG gets all the endings
hopefully dark light and grey
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I agree. I feel that the KotOR universe would make a terrific MMO, and I’m craving a replacement for SWG, but in addition they’re going to need to make a third RPG game. If Bioware is creating the MMO, it would seem logical that they’d also be creating KotOR III, and it would be out of Obsidian’s hands.
KOTOR MMO! Sounds great! Might have to switch to this from SWG.
P.S Bioware, YOU have to be the ones to make KotOR III. It would be so awesome! KotOR I was one of the best games ever!
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Holy frekking crap! KOTOR online? Woohoo!
Hopefully it’s as good as SWG…
Hah impossible.
But KOTOR online? WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I will now hibernate until 2050 and wake up to find the best game ever with awesome player base. Plz.
i can’t wait for this,,, hopefully they model it somewhat like old ultima-online… that would be a dream come true… a bad ass universe with a bad ass playstyle
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They cant do this! Are they insane. KOTOR was a great game because it was single player. If it is turned in to a MMO, they will lose massive amounts of hard core KOTOR fans. More so if they do it how they did SWG, and charge players up the ass monthly.
If the next KOTOR game gose the way of the MMO, I wont play. Do you hear me biowear!? If you turn KOTOR into a Online RolePlay, pay to play game I wont play.
You can make it a option to do it online, sure, Halo has that option, as dose many other games. But if you take KOTOR and turn it into another SWG, you can kiss your millions of KOTOR fans good bye
well lol good bye FFXI hello KOTOR: MMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its about time =P
I can’t wait
Oh great, more black-and-white shit, really I think the time period that the Legacy comics are set in could use more exposure, as it gives you more than good and evil. You have the Jedi, beholden to the force. The Sith, who try to bend the force to their will. Then the Imperial Knights, who use the force to benefit the citizens of the Second Galactic Empire.
The best thing would be a KOTOR 3 as a singleplayer just as the previous games… mmorpg is an too overrated playstyle. I will never pay a huge sum for the client then pay every month so i could play a game I already bought.
I saw this coming a long way off and don’t know how I feel about it…
The KOTOR universe DEFINITELY bears revisiting. The first game was stellar and the second left things really hanging. (And don’t blame Obsidian for KOTOR 2: if Lucasarts hadn’t rushed their development and instead had given them time to fully implement their endgame ideas, it would have been amazing. I’m eagerly awaiting the Team Gizka restoration mod.)
But I agree with those above who bemoan the fact the next KOTOR installment is going MMO. I love RPGs, but that is precisely because they have a beginning, an end, and an epic storyline in the middle. The open-endedness of the MMO environment would be fun for a while but grow tiring eventually. I also have serious problems with monthly fees; I don’t log enough game time per week or even per month to warrant that. I want to play at my own pace for a reasonable amount of money.
And it really doesn’t matter if the title of this MMO is “KOTOR 3″ or if it’s some side title: the fact that we’re getting a KOTOR MMO means no single-player KOTOR for at least several more years, if ever.
We’ll see what happens…I’m not excited yet.
Fuck they just could haved finished the open ends with K3 and then ruined the franchise with some lame MMORPG. Who ever thinks this is going to continue the experience or plot of KOTOR I & II is mistaken, this is just a cheap spin off.
Im not saying this because i have something against MMOs but they cant possibly bring the KotOR experience into an MMO, its just a SP game and it wont work otherwise.
Just hope they come to making a real SP sequel.
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I want KOTOR 3 for the xbox not some dum mmo! who agrees?
I agree Roger… What a load of crap! I don’t want an MMO! I want an RPG on XBOX! This is ridiculous! Any fan of the series wants to see the end of the Revan/Exile/Outer-Rim storyline. Coupled with the failure of SW:G, I think this project is heading in a direction that most fans don’t want it to go. It’ll sell though. You could shit in a box and write ‘KOTOR III’ on the front and it’ll move off the shelves.
if this is true this is what millions of star wars fans have been waiting for
I just hope that this isn’t a replacement for KOTOR III. If it is, I will be very sad.
This game is supposed to be single player. It’s YOUR experience, and a very cinematic one at that. It’s almost like a book. You don’t huddle around a book with a few friends, you play it at your own pace on your schedule. The game revolves around you. I don’t want to have to be called “RyanIZkoolLOL245″ I want to be called Ryan. And I want deep character relations.
Of course, if this is in addition to KOTOR 3 then Woopee! I hope it’s in the timeframe of the Mando Wars, that would be pretty cool. I do have a few hopes for it though.
VOICE ACTING - Galaxies sucks at this, all the characters have no life in them at all. KOTOR is known for it’s great voice acting, I would be severely disappointed if it’s not implemented.
SAME (SIMILAR) COMBAT SYSTEM - I hate how WOW and SWG are run. I want the control scheme to be just like KOTORs. That would make me happy. I mean, of course, they would have to make the force powers and stuff on all the F# keys but, other than that, it should be similar.
CHARACTERS FROM KOTOR - Der, obviously. But I would also like a few from the KOTOR comics and some that were mentioned but not shown. If this is from the Mandalorian Wars then I definitely want to see a Hooded Jedi and an exceptionally tall Jedi recuiting their classmates. I want to be able to talk to teenage Bastila and talk to Kreia while she’s still a jedi. In short, I hope they utilize this to really expand the storyline and characters backgrounds. Also, It would be really cool if they could put in the same conversation system, so that while your talking to…Vrook, some guy named “BobaFeetlol” doesn’t stand on top of him and make the experience uncinematic.
Basically, I just want a TRUE KOTOR experience that you can play with a few friends.
ok, first i need to ask, how much of a chance that this is actually real? second thing is is rtheres any chance this can come out on the 360? i would love it to be played on the 360 but if its on the computer ill still buy it. I have always dreamt of a star wars MMO, i played galaxies for about 3 months and it had the best ideas but it just lacked in gameplay. my favorite game would be a KOTOR MMORPG on the 360 and have a few ideas that galaxy did (like houses and cities etc.) but make it a lot better, like no MMORPG we have ever seen before. i garuntee youll get buyers and youll steal a fair few WoW players.
This sucks alot less people will like kotor now :wtf:
There’s a reason site’s like IGN haven’t reported this - it’s not official. Here’s another reason to be skeptical: EA owns Bioware now. EA publishes EA-developed games. LucasArts publishes Star Wars games. Doesn’t mean it can’t happen, but it could be a deal-breaker.
“There’s a reason site’s like IGN haven’t reported this - it’s not official. Here’s another reason to be skeptical: EA owns Bioware now. EA publishes EA-developed games. LucasArts publishes Star Wars games. Doesn’t mean it can’t happen, but it could be a deal-breaker.”
http://pc.ign.com/articles/829/829184p1.html
I’m not saying I’m sold on this being a fact and not just a rumor. I’m just saying it’s a really big rumor.
Man i dont care what you’r thoughts are.. if you want to cry about how you want it to be about you or are just a starwars/kotor fan… this is great news period… with swg all but dead and Kotor 2 not finished (thank god for team gizka) yet… If this is true and is done by Bioware I would have to say I’m very much looking forward to the beta!
first of all my faith in Bioware has been shattered slightly by selling out to those cockbites (a.k.a. EA). and if they did sell out, I wouldn’t be too shocked to hear about one of the worst ideas ever. KOTOR doesn’t belong in the world of MMO’s, it was a definative RPG, one of the greatest ever made. It had story and wonderful gameplay, but to turn it into an MMO is just like a circle jerk: yeah everyone jerks by themselves, while this is fine, but it feels a lot dirtier and cheaper when other people are there. Yes graphic, but do you get the point?
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OK this sounds cool.
But I think a bunch of us are loosing sight here.
To start, I am a veteran player just returning to SWG. SOE HAS screwed it up but yet fixed some things. Not many but some good ideas came from NGE. YES I said it.
It reports that the “Super Secret MMO Project” is based in the same era as Kotor. That does not mean it IS Kotor. You must realise that the universe is a BIG place and there are a great many OTHER things going on at the same time as the events as KOTOR I & II. So this doesnt mean that K3 will be a mmo just that IF this is accurate that there COULD be a MMO and K3. I would suspect that K3 would be released first and then the MMO.
I would also hate to see K3 as a MMO only. SO dont hate on me there.
Ok as for a MMO based in the same time line as KOTOR. It has a unique advantage that SWG doesnt. NOT AS MANY RESTRAINTS.
Think about it. When SWG came to us it was set in the middle of the orig trilogy. With Lucas saying “Dont mess with the Movie story Line in any way.” By setting the MMo in the past (kotor) there is very little written about that time compared to the time line from Episode I to after the New Jedi Order. This means more content, more surprises, more and new Star Wars Lore, and ALOT more latitude for Bioware to have writing story line. 1000 years of Lore time with little current info on. This is a good thing in many ways. It is also harder for bioware to ‘invent’ new content not only that makes sense to the fans of both SW & KOTOR but also Mr. Lucas doesnt slap them in the face for writing.
I too am not placing all my eggs in this basket. I was also a victom of EA before when they murdered Earth and Beyond. I also want a good sci-fi MMO.
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This is good news and all, but this is going to be fucking gay if you have to pay a faggot monthly fee.
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this shit sucks balls i wanna game that answers all my questions about revan and the exile not to pay money to kill dum bitches
Personally I enjoyed the Kotor games both of them. I don’t like Starwars Galaxies because of the fee. While i am all for a kotor online game as long as they don’t put down some monthly fee I’ll probably get it.
I agree with all the complaints, make an old republic game if you like in the end who really cares what time an MMO is set it wont make any difference to the fact thta the sole puropse is to go around killing things ganing expereance (as fun as it is) and in the end your actions have no implication on the world so some new person can come along and do every mission you just did.
Just please also make KOTOR 3 as a single player (or restricted multiplayer with drop in drop out freinds) so you can have a finish to the saga and i fell like i have made some kind of noticible imprsion on the star wars universe
You guys no nothing about mmos if you dont think they develop stories, the old republic is a great setting for an mmo because we dont know what happens, that was one thing that was wrong for Galaxies they couldnt expand the story. Whose to say you wont encounter Revan or the Exile in the game? Just because your not playing as them again doesnt mean nothing good will come. What if theres an instance where you actually fight along side of Revan? And this game wont be much different from KOTOR cause it was an RPG anyway, you still killed people to gain xp and level, all this is doing is adding a multiplayer component.
The main point is the monthly fee. Who the hell would ever want to pay a monthly fee for just being able to play one game. I can see paying a fee for xbox live, because you can play infinite games with multiplayer settings. I will be very sad if this game charges you a fee to play, as I will NOT be purchasing the game if that is the case. The Old Republic era is so much more interesting than any of the newer sagas IMO, and it will be a shame if I cannot be included in the fun if a ghey monthly fee is required.
How badass would KoToR 3 be if the storyline followed Revan into the unknown regions, only to have the Exile meetup with him to join forces halfway through, fighting the True Sith. This could expand the universe canon as we know it, adding extra-gallacical locations that will be considered canon for all future sagas.
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the monthly fee is a necessary evil do you know how much it costs to make let alone maintain a mmo? especially if you wanna see expansions and what not
Well then, don’t make the fuckin game an MMO at all. MMO’s are gay. Fuck the needs of an MMO, and rely more on the needs of the Fans. Starwars Galaxies is the biggest piece of shit game i’ve ever seen, so is ghey warcraft. Necessary evil, my ass. We’ve been waiting years for simply an announcement of the next KotOr game, then they come and announce that its going to be an MMO that you have to pay for. Bullshit. Just give us what we want. A game with a plot, and a script, which delves deeper into untold mysteries about the old republic. If I wanted to play an MMO, i’d turn gay and play warcraft.
I’m a huge KoToR fan but I think if they were to make a MMO It wouldn’t really be a KoToR MMO its would be a Star Wars MMO. I think they could still come out with a RPG and a MMO like blizzard did with warcraft.
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ummm kotor is star wars, and forcewound just cause your too poor to pay and fee go bitch about it somewhere else
The only way I can see a Star Wars mmo working is if it had a Battlefront feel combined with a command and conquest approach. The only mmo I have played is FFXI. I liked FFXI, but thought it was too time consuming getting to places(it can take 1 hour to get to some places at times). I almost wish instead of an “old republic” time frame, they would make a Star Wars mmo based on the “New Jedi Knights” era(with the Yug. Vong having some kind of role). They could have the time frame be after the destruction of the 2nd Death Star and incorporate all the factions(imperal, republic, Jedi, Dark Jedi, Yug Vong, bounty hunter/crime sindicate) that would be around(the Yug Vong) could be part of an expansion(expanded universe)
While SWG died, and KotoR2was a butchery you can’t blame what happened to those games on Sony and Obsidian entirely. LucasArts told Sony to do the NGE and to make Jedi a starting class to get more players. LucasArts also forced Obsidian to rush out Kotor2 for christmas and to stop whatever they were working on and rush the ending hoping the name of the first one could carry the second. KotoR2 had a LOT of potential and the people at Obsidian were PISSED when they had to hack it down. That’s why they left the info for the cut stuff still on the disc. They wanted people to see what they intended. That’s why mod makers ane trying to fix KotoR2 andput everything back.
Yeah KoToR2 wasn’t that bad. It had a half decent story. Just thing what it would have been like if they give it the right time.
will have to watch this but who know where swg will be when this comes out
i will stick will swg at least i know that and they are making it better all the time
The worst thing that could happend to kotor franchise is MMO sequel…MMO sucks
First, excuse my bad English.
Second:
MMO KotoR ???
Spinning of whoms weird mind?
Does Lucas Arts think that way about Star Wars Roleplaying Titles?
Something like The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion would suit the Star Wars RPG Sector much better….
I never considered MMO RPG suitable
Just my 2 cent…
For years I have been hearing rumours about this, but I’ll take it with a grain of salt until Bioware officially announce it. If it is the case though, I would love to see a Star Wars MMO out there that has some credibility.
The problem with MMO’s though is people relate it back to what is already out there. Most of these companies either follow the generic “hack and loot” style, but the genre is only in it’s initial stages. Blizzard managed to make the genre truly massive with WOW, but seem to think that is the be all and end all.
I have real confidence in Bioware taking MMO’s to the next level. They have always been story driven with their games, and I am sure that a Star Wars MMO under their direction will draw players in to the game, wanting more than the usual MMO experience we are all used to.
some info:
http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/press_releases/2006_03_15_Austin/
ok buddy thats not info thats them confirming they have actually have a developer in Austin
DAMN!
This means the game isn’t going to be based around my actions as a player, but around someone in India who gets payed to play 24/7.
This sucks, I will not be buying this game. Unless its released with singleplayer optional tee-hee.
MMORPG’s are not RPG’s. They are basically multiplayer competitions.
All I can say is that I feel by KOTOR becoming an MMO it will lose its storyline and become really unfocused, which was really involving and one the main points that made me love the first kotor so much.
Besides I want to learn the story at MY OWN PACE, not HAVE to login at certain times to see the next plot interaction / event.
Sigh, I’m going to go kill myself now.
Ah.. man they could try to carry a story with an MMO, but, i mean guild wars did that, and it just aint the same; you see everyone else doing the same thing. I hope so much, that its KOTOR 3 seperate, and then maybe a crappy mmo to ruin it all.
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It is official that bioware and Lucasarts working on a game:
http://www.lucasartsbioware.com
[...] this KOTOR III? - ComputerAndVideoGames.com TVG: Bioware And LucasArts Reassert Relationship News BioWare’s Upcoming MMO Based in KOTOR Universe : Primotech bit-tech.net | BioWare working on KOTOR [...]
people are so stupid, they just cant grab the concept of how good this can be with all the possiblities traveling to different planets interacting with characters from the game
looks like this thing might ACTUALLY come true.
Lucararts and Bioware just came together to work on a “Ground-Breaking Interactive Entertainment Product”
http://www.lucasartsbioware.com/
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“BioWare’s mission is to deliver the best story and character-driven games in the world, delivering powerful emotional experiences to our fans.” said Ray Muzyka, chief executive officer, BioWare Corp. Added Greg Zeschuk, president of BioWare Corp., “The collaboration with LucasArts allows us to combine our passion for creating high quality and innovative experiences with those of a company dedicated to bringing only the finest games to market.
I hope to God that means KOTOR 3 and not an MMO.
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I have a contact IN LucasArts………if any1 of u want info on KOTOR III email me at Asian_Leader007@yahoo.com
[...] Could this possibly be the long-awaited KOTOR MMO we revealed last week? [...]
[...] around ever since Bioware announced they were getting into the MMO business. However, it’s recently resurfaced and is rampaging through the gaming community like a stampeding [...]
I have wanted to see this back when I was playing SWG ( before they made NGE ) The story line fits better for an MMO.
As for completing the story with Reven, I think the idea of playing in his/her timeline would be a lot fun. The second part and the whole Exile being a black whole for the force was a little over top for me. The only thing I wanted to know was were the #$#@ is Reven? no reason you cant join his side or fight against him in an MMO! its a great idea I just hope they do it right!!! and take there time.
Mandolorians, Republic, Sith, Mercs ( Hutts et. ) sweeeet!
[...] jig..possibly. Apparently there’s a rumor traveling around the rumor mill that the next KOTOR game will actually be an MMORPG. Not sure if this will replace the talked about KOTOR III title, or will be produced [...]
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I agree with Moraelin’s (from Slashdot) excellent “Well think of it this way” response to this topic:
http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=344741&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=21175505
it is not as rumor, biowere is making a game with lucusarts….
http://forums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=595018&forum=22
i am your master!!!!!!
Lets see… MMO? new WoW? What are we gonna do i wonder? kill creeps for exp untill we get bored? story that has no meaning exept mindless grinding. Let me tell u somethin: THERE CANT BE A THOUSAND REVANS, EXILES… running around - youre gonna be FREAKIN NOBODY. no one of any significance to the universe. story will be like this : “go kill ?? number of banthas” or “collect X number of sith lightsabers” … Is this what we want for Kotor? is this the answer for all our questions? To be someone not worthy enough to lick Revan’s boots? not to mention the monthly fee… are u sure u want this? think about it
[...] couldn’t help posting a link to this announcement from Bioware. KOTOR are my FAVORITE GAMES in recent memory! I want to sign up [...]
I’ve been saying it for a long time, they needed to have swg in a different era. There were too many Jedi running around for that game. And that was before NGE.
A KOTOR era mmo is great. It gives you more factions to work with. Jedi, Sith, Mandalorians. This isn’t some KOTOR III replacement. It’s just a Star Wars MMO in the KOTOR timeline. I just hope that when they come up with the ruleset, we don’t get NGE quality updates.
As for KOTOR III single player. If it were made, it would be on the XBOX 360. Microsoft bought exclusive rights to the series from Lucasarts, which is why you never saw it cross platform from XBOX or PC.
yeah i really think that kotor mmo is not cool, look like everyone says nothing will be answered. ok the can have quests to find out, but what is going to be so cool about that when youll have fifteen players with you doing the same thing. i play swg and i think its awesome but really kotor for mmo, kotor is a legend lets keep it that way, not make it a @### hole.
When I read this story and later when I read the announcement from Bioware and Lucasarts, I had high hopes that this rumor was wrong and it was actually KotOR 3 which was being developed. The more I read about this, the more I realize its going to be a KotOR MMO. I really wanted to see K3 made but its not looking good. If you cant tell I disappointed because I really wanted to know who the “True Sith” are and what happened to Revan. Dont get me wrong, this is Great news for KotOR fans but some of us cant afford system upgrades and subscription fees to play online so its gonna suck to sit on the sidelines.
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I LOVE this kind of speculation, makes MMOs seem exciting again. All I can say is, trust Primotech. Strat Wars MMO fans finally have “A New Hope” /badpun
I’ve been playing SWG since it came out. Never taking time off, never canceling my subscription.
I admit the CU, hurt the game [a lot of friends left] and the NGE hurt even more [what were they thinking, losing more friends and uber players]. It has gotten better over time, but still n00bed up.
Recently more of my buddies are back and we are looting uber loot [having fun]. But it’s time for a change.
A new Star Wars MMO will be good for all of us [except for those who can't scrape $15 a month, haha to you]. So I say let them do it, please!!!!!! Just don’t F it up or “I will crush you like small dog” (Russian Accent).
Damn this just means that i will officially LIVE on the computer, I may as well drop out of college when this comes out. Because I don’t for see myself playing anything else ever again SHIT it’sgonna be a great but TIME consuming gmae.
Y’know, I realized something. I see these people complaining about how ”they won’t be the center of the universe.” basically, grow the fuck up. It didn’t revolve around you in the RPG’s anyway, it revolved around the war, the republic the sith, not your character. Yeah, you played a major part in it, so what? You still weren’t the unbelievably main character in the game, and your actions had LITTLE to MEDIUM effect on the game. So what? I kill somebody and a message pops up saying I earned darkside points, that only meant that I have to watch a different cinematic, because in reality..it didn’t change anything you could see, interact, kill, loot, roleplay, or figure out with. You only had these little messages that you found out through playing the game that doing this and this is your consequence, or your reward. And who the fuck ever said this game wouldn’t come out to 360? If you take a look, mmo’s like AoC are being placed out on the Xbox 360 eventually too, so not only will computer lovers be able to play it, 360’s will too. You’ll need to buy a keyboard, but who cares?
Yes, I see the point about ‘’seeing so and so do the same misson and feels uncinematic.” But uhmm, yeah. L2USETHEIGNOREBUTTONPLZ? And if you don’t think that you won’t be immersed into the game like the RPG’s, have you ever heard of roleplaying? No, I don’t mean the walk into a cantina and say ”How ya doing?” I mean roleplaying, the serious crap. What you character would feel, it’s so possible to do all these things you’re complaining about.
And on the ”kill something for xp and loot.” Isn’t that basically the same fucking thing you did in Kotor 1 and 2? You killed shit, and you levelled. You went through a huge ass storyline, killing shit, getting xp, looting it, selling it at the merchant. That’s what an mmo is bud, except now if it’s an mmo, not only will you do it, but you can go into a cantina, roleplay some crap up and get a group of people to go with you and do it, oh wait..omg, that’s like..oh, my gosh! The third people party in KOTOR and KOTOR2. Holy crap!
Oh come ON, about the ”Hack and slash.” who’se to say they wouldn’t implement a new type of fighting system that nobody would of ever had seen before? Sort of like Age of Conan did? They created a huge PVP/PvE system that mostly everybody that’s heard of it loves it.
Oh, and what the fuck? Who EVER said this game would be based around the KOTOR1 and 2 Storyline anyway? You might be placed 100 years AFTER all that happened, when Jedi are alive again, and the Sith are trying to defeat them like always. Or, who knows? You might be in unexplored space, brought there by a group of bandits.
Is it the best idea? No. But shut the fuck up, okay? If you want a kickass storyline, buy the rights from the companies and htie a team of professionals, until then. Don’t bitch, please.
If you can’t pay 15.00 a month.
Get a job.
If you wanna be immersed.
Roleplay.
If you don’t wanna see somebody doing the same thing as you.
Invite them to your group, have fun and roleplay.
If you don’t want a typical hack and slash mmo.
Create your own fucking game.
If you think KOTOR and KOTOR2 were awesome RPG’s because they were on the 360.
It came out for the PC you fucktits.
Yeah, i’m sure I missed alot of shit I’ve heard people argue about in this chat..but I don’t care, you’re all being fucking stupid.
<—Rant by Dordikinz.
We have launched a Wiki site dedicated to BioWare’s upcoming MMO which we believe is based on the KotOR Universe. Everyone is welcome to discuss at http://kotor.mmolab.com. Enjoy.
If this is going to be as good as the old SWG or even better like the KOTOR games i will play it all my life untill i die :]
I am an old vet of SWG its about time we bring the old days back..with new factions like sith,jedi,mando,old republic and so on…old fighting stlyes like Terakasi etc..and many professions would make the game exciting..it should b like a real sci fi based rpg..dam i miss the old days of swg..oh btw JEDI or SITH shouldnt b easy to make..like in the old days we wouldnt want 100 hundred noob jedis runnning around..may the force be with us all….
/rant on
It’s about time, if this is actually true
My only complaint really is that I wish this MMO would take place after Episode VI, Return of the Jedi. I use to play SWG (started in May 2004) and was a roleplayed a little on occasion (COME ON, who didn’t want to be a Force Sensitive Master Swordsman/TKM/Pikesman? YEAH, I KNOW YOU DO!!!). I unlocked Jedi a week before the CU (May 2005) and I was there for over a year after the NGE (New Game Enhancements, Nov 2005) was released. I finally gave up around November/December 2006. It was going no where.
The CU honestly was a rip off of Everquest 2’s combat system (which I started playing in September 2006). If you actually play Everquest 2, you can take out the entire storyline and insert “X” Star Wars storyline and you would basically have the CU, with a different skills system. And the NGE, I have no idea where that came from.. but people said it was like WoW a lot.
People did complain about the number of Jedi when the NGE was released.. Now lets face it. Jedi is MEANT to be a BETTER playing class then normal playing classes, but it has to be watched carefully and let it be semi-difficult and take time to obtain. Hopefully, Jedi will be a playable class again, but let it take work, as it did in SWG before the NGE. If this is truly taking place in the KotOR timeline, this was a time when Jedi did run around a little… I just hope it’s not a starting class.
I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hope Jedi is actually taken care of this time around. You SWG people know what I’m talking about.
Of course, I’ll likely give it a try anyway. I’ve been Star Wars deprived for a while now.. Can’t wait for The Force Unleashed this spring.
/rant off
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Pfft, alot of crying i have been reading. I mean so what dudes go cry somewere else. If it does happen, i will think it will pull all the old SWG players (like my self) to play Kotor online, and then some. So in the long run, i would make the MMorpg. Then release one for xbox360(possibly 1 year later), so people will stop crying.
This news excites me both as a person looking for a new MMO, and a huge fan of the KOTOR universe.
I don’t see anything wrong with a KOTOR MMO, because it’s in Bioware’s hands after all. You can’t bash the idea because of whatever prejudices you have based on the current MMORPGs. Mass Effect is clear evidence of Bioware’s love for telling a good story and what that means is we might get the first MMORPG that actually tells a story. Don’t challenge me with how that’s even possible, Bioware develops the games and I have confidence in them.
If it’s an MMO, I hope it’s not an MMO in the way that WoW, Guild Wars, and SWG were MMOs. They were good games but I didn’t play them as I played KOTOR 1&2. Everyone seems to be confident with an SP K3, so why can’t we be confident that Bioware will deliver a great experience either way.
Let’s just hope this is more than just a rumor.
Sheesh alot of you guys are morons.It’s not the next chapter of kotor it’s based around the timeline. It’s not going to be kotor 3 just a kotor mmo. Face it the mmo genre is super popular right now and whether you’re on the band wagon or not bitching is’nt going to make it go away.I like both mmo’s and single player rpgs so either way it would’nt bother me.But if you don’t like mmo’s (or are just to cheap to pay the measly 15 bucks a month) just save the bitching for the official announcement because , as of now, it’s not number 3 just an mmo based on the franchise.
I am really dissapointed with this news , i can´t belive that Kotor 3 is going to be a MMO, it wold be beter a single player game like the two other kotor.
And who said it was kotor 3. All they said was that it was an mmo based on kotro. You guys are jumping to conclusions man it’s real annoying. If in the official announcement they say it’s an actual sequel then you can get pissed. Either way think this is cool. I’m an mmo and kotro junky so as soon as can i’m pre-ordeing.
But now that i think about,what happens to most rumors? They stay rumors lol. I hope this game happens but something in me says it won’t happen. If it does then yeah total pre-order.
[...] In an official press release, Gordon Walton, Co-Studio Direction, BioWare Austin have praised the award-winning Wwise tools, which debuted with the ill-fated Shadowrun and has gone on to win many accolades and nominations across several game development awards. Powered by Perpetual server technology (Star Trek: Online) and the Simultronics HeroEngine, there is no word on what IP the MMO will actually be based on, even though rumors circulated all over the Internet around the time that EA bought BioWare that it would be set in the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic universe. [...]
I think wow and runescape are a hell of alot better, though this duz look kind if neat
Hey,
Man im so pumped. I played SWG for 2 years untill the day the NGE hit, then I played/yelled/and punched walls untill my 6 month subscription ran out.
The one and the ONLY THING, this new star wars based game should take from swg is the player independence dynamic. (aka player cities, crafting/player ran economy, and DIVERSE proffesions, give me 42 over the standard 9 peice of shit ANY DAY! and hybrids made everything even more awesome.)
my 0.02, PLEASE PLEASE I need to live my life virtually!! rl is killing me
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think about it what type of gamer spends more money on there system PC or Consol ? i have a pc i spent $3000 on it, i can afford to pay $15 a month to play a game but i don’t because there is no game worth playing YET and i tried them all. I think the technolgy is there to make a star wars game fun for all meaning mmorpg,fps even rts whatever you are into. for me i would pay out the ass if i could wield a mouse that looked like a light saber kinda like the new remote light sword for the WII. ppl are paying $100 to play guitar hero 3 just to get a little guitar that sits in the corner collecting dust i would pay the same to get my own light saber. but can u imagine sword fighting in real time combat with full sword movement and maybe becoming a dark sith lord that every 1 on that server is trying to assassinate or raiding parties that destroy whole planets then discover new ones that would be epic i would never put the mouse/light saber down so for some ppl it mite not be that great but the game is so far away from the finish line who’s to say what will happen lets just hope it s better than it’s forefathers.
I Love these games and I also like MMO but I don’t like the idea of K.o.t.O.R. as another World of Warcraft. It has it’s own individgeuality right now and I think if it goes MMO it with fall to the wayside quickly due to its common placement with other MMO that have the big foothold!!
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First of all, none of this is confirmed. But, if the intention is to create an MMO based on KoToR I think the single player RPG audience can safely bet on BioWare developing the MMO over a few years and releasing KoToR III in the meantime. A successful third installment of the series would just reinforce and bring attention to the company and the game. It would be a good stepping stone for the launch of the MMO as well. Blizzard did the same thing with the Warcraft series and it wouldn’t suprise me any if BioWare looked to emulate what had worked for WoW.
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First, thete should be Four Main factions
.Jedi
.Sith
.Republic
.Mandalorian
And in these classes there can be differnt proffesions, for example in the Mandalorian Class, you could have Combat Medic, Solider, Officer etc, then in Jedi you can have Jedi Guardian, Jedi Senital etc.
This Game will put a Nail in SWGs Grave, and this will be even better if its only an MMO, cause there will be major PVP, and you can go through the story with friends……………and there better be space like SWG, I was a great pilot on that game, We need to know that this game is Official.
R.I.P SWG [Devs ruined the game]
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I personally love the idea of another SW MMORPG. i tried Galaxies and it didnt felt good.
i hope them to make KoToR 3 and this one cause i’m dying for some cool new Star Wars games, and who knows, i might give up on WoW for that
After reading all the above posted comments I had a few thoughts on this I’d like to share with you all. Bear in mind, my thoughts are based solely on the notion that this rumored KOTOR MMO is even true.
1. I’ve been playing SWG since 2003 and I would love nothing more than to see it repaired to it’s former glory. However, since SOE has recently stooped to offering player recruitment incentives, and continues to force grouping missions amidst an ever-shrinking player base, I just don’t see that happening. I am a life-long SW fan and since the advent of MMO’s, had always hoped to immerse myself in the SW Universe. SWG offered that until the NGE destroyed the game as we knew it. Now it is little more than a suped up console game. I play both PC and Console games, so I have nothing against them, in fact I have every SW title ever released, I enjoyed KOTOR very much. So…i said all that to say this:
a. SWG is a failure in most (but not all) respects, but it still has some very valuable parts that Bio-Ware/LA could benefit from. Namely a loyal SW fan following for one. Two, 4 years of SWG experience has shown what to include and NOT to include. SWG has one of the best player creation models I’ve ever seen. The player housing is second to none to show off all your goodies. The IG-economy is screwed up, BUT…crafting proffs offer an alternative when you just don’t have a need to blow anything up that day, and it can be profitable. SWG space is still the best space-sim out there IMO. So Bio-Ware, I hope your writing all this down…(yeah right).
b. Jedi is a money maker, period. So…how do you offer Jedi and offer it is a palpable profession amongst non-jedi? Set the game in a SW time period where Jedi/Sith were prolific. What about an alternative for the lightsaber haters? Easy, Mandolorian and Republic factions as other posters here have said.
c. Here’s another thought on the Jedi equation…it can STILL be an MMO and use the decision based faction. For example, in some SWG missions there are some Jedi like prompted responses to NPC interactions, and some very non-Jedi like ones. The player response could dictate factional alignment ala KOTOR…just an idea.
d. Now for the PC Vs. Console argument, I would submit that SWG, like I stated before, is now very much like a mixed shooter/mmo with the NGE. The trouble was, it wasn’t from the beginning and the drastic change alienated many of the adult player base. However, start a game like that from the start, then at least the players will know from the start what to expect.
e. One of the great things I loved about the original version of SWG, was the sheer mass of alternatives. The Universe was MASSIVE and I could do WHATEVER I set my heart on..hell, there were 32 profession combinations to choose from…now 9. A KOTOR MMO could offer that…and should. I agree that each faction should have its specific prof alternatives, such as Mando or Republic Officer,Commando, Medic, Jedi Guardian, Sith Assassin, etc. Great idea you guys!
2. The fact is, SOE stopped listening to its players and focused on beating WoW. Ridiculous. Personally I don’t like WoW for many reasons, but thats another post for another website. WoW players like it for being WoW, likewise SWG players liked it for being Star Wars. To rob the adult player community of that, and in the shamefully deceitful manner in which NGE was delivered was one of the biggest wrongs I can think of in my almost 17 years of gaming. So, I’d like to see a mix of both. A game that is engaging enough for adult players, but just simple enough for the kiddies. I would also suggest a PVP instance for all the l33t speakers and smak-tards. I enjoy PVP, but I’d prefer it without all the immaturity…good luck with that…I know, but at least they’d be somewhat confined to the Romper Room.
3. Is IS a rumor, so like all rumors treat it as such, so anything could happen. Sadly, it appears we know anything until late ‘08 or 09′. Until then, enjoy the fun in speculating. Regardless, I will continue my sad devotion to SWG until a better Star Wars MMO alternative may or may not present itself.
ONe major question id like to ask for all those who are wondering!!!!
Will it be free to play,as in the only fee you’ll have to pay is the actual purchase of the game/product????????/
NOTE:if it was free it would sell more and every1 would talk and play about it!!!
-imagine an MMORPG,star wars but bigger then World of Warcraft.can you imagine it!!!!!!!!!
This is just a rumor still. With no names and coming from a previously unknown site, it’s still up in the air what Bioware is doing.
If you think it’s going to be Kotor, you may be right, but I think it’s more likely to be something else. If you want to know why: http://www.the-sovereign-one.com/opinion.html
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ok bottom line. a new star wars mmo needed. hundreds of galaxies to explore. over 100 races to choose from. oh yea my mouth is drooling. bioware is keep updating content like theres a new sith lord in town lol. if we dont slay him he makes a empire, i know dont all im saying is… a new star wars mmo is needed. i dont mind paying the fee if there might be one cuz you know what. i love starwars. and it makes me happy. thats what i care about. me being happy. i would love to work hard and become a jedi on a game with a million people online and there are so few jedi. thats my dream. or i wouldnt mind being a sith i got a dark side to me
either way if u like whatever. the bottom line is that Lucasarts and Bioware are gunna do something great.
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i must say i do not want an online one a third installment, i would love a third one but not online. i just want to sit and play on xbox hopefully this installment takes u into the sith empire
There’s nothing like an MMO rumor to bring out the jackals.
I think that people are mistaken when they think that this game will be about the KOTOR storyline… I think they meant that the game will take place during the KOTOR time period. This makes sense because during this time period there were thousands of Jedi. I’m guessing that many people will want to play Jedi and from a development point of view, this would be an excellent time period to fit into Star Wars lore. This was one of the problems that ate away SWG’s player base early on. Many players wanted to become Jedi yet during SWG’s time period there were very few. One of the inherent flaws of SWG was designing it around a very familiar time period. Putting the new SW MMO into another mostly undeveloped time period would eradicate much of the headache of trying to stick closesly to Star Wars movie cannon.
Best wishes to Bioware’s endevour! I’ll be leaving WoW for this game!
Jeiku I’m so glad someone finally said that. People are complaining about it being and MMO but what they don’t realise is that there will likely be a KOTOR 3 on console. Infact it is probably in the works Lucas Arts doesn’t want to compete with it’s self so they will likely bring these out at different times and after THE Force Unleashed. There is way to many sites over the past couple years with KOTOR 3 as a topic for developers to ignore how much they could make from releasing this title. If this MMO works out and it should they will likely start developing more games in the Old Republic timeline aswell. Honestly I like the Old republic in games and comics better then the movies and an MMO of Star Wars that is actually good would take what little of a life I have left and definately would pull me away from W.O.W.
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It’s real. Look for it in Feb 09 when SOE’s license runs out.
I don’t much care for the lightsaber fights, near escapes and all that mindless rubbish. I hope that the crafting environment is as in-depth as it was in SWG before the NGE. And I don’t want no nine iconic professions. I hope we have many more than that to choose from, and can customize our toons significantly.
If there is a new Star Wars MMO, anyway.
A source close to BioWare confirmed to us today that the studio’s upcoming untitled massively-multiplayer online RPG will be centered around the Star Wars universe, specifically that of Knights of the Old Republic
You idiots, it never says it will be a KOTOR game it says it will be based in that time
What if this secret project is a Clone Wars MMO?!
First off, no this will not be a clone wars MMO..what are you thinking. They’ve already stated that it’s going to be based inside of the KOTOR timeline. Which leads me to my next statement..
It’s the KOTOR “ERA” not KOTOR III the next instalment. Personally I look forward to this..I’ve been playing SWG [Star wars galaxies] for a few years now. I enjoy it but often become bored to take breaks. The game is fun don’t get me wrong I’ve met tons of friends and hope some would come to Kotor online with me if it is released.
And lastly…
I LOVE KOTOR WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!! [Flails arms with chants]
Kotor rocks…I’ve played I & II…Darkside (Everytime basically) and lightside (Gotta try it). The games simply are a gods gift to us star wars lovers…I mean cmon…you can’t beat it.
I agree with all you postitive thinkers towards this game, all you dreaders stay away and let us Hope. And btw I too hope for A third installment. But MMO would also be a plus for me..Thats my two cents.
I currently still play SWG player names are Neccrid, Greyy, Corrvas, and Scarrlet on the radiant server. Email is xlordshadowx@hotmail.com
Hit me up if you wanna chat abotut some KOTOR/SW stuff anytime! …Peace
The claim is that KotOR Online will be set in the KotOR Universe and time-period. It does NOT say that it will be a replacement for KotOR III and as such have no grade finale. Although, as I have it, BioWare are not going to currently work on a KotOR III, that does not mean that a single-player KotOR III will not be made at some point in the future.
Sounds great! And also.. SWG is a good game.. stop bashing it.
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This can’t be the third KOTOR game. How could they possibly continue the KOTOR story in an MMO? It makes no sense. Plus there will be 500,000+ players with “revan” somewhere in their name. If they are actually going to make KOTOR III an MMO they need to make online play optional and off line play the bulk of the story.
I think it would be great to create a MMO around the era of KotOR. I also would like to see the class types. Hopefully its not another MMO trying to sqeeze money out of you every month, if so 2 thumbs down from me. I always say, If its not a 1 time fee or free, you wont get attention from me.
I think this may be the best news I’ve gotten about a video game in along time. I sure hope it is true. A KOTOR MMORPG would be fantastic. I played SWG on release, I survived the CU, and I tried to survive the NGE, but it got the better of me in the end (totally awful). I had alot of fun playing that game in the beginning with all the other Star Wars fanboys. Great people. Two of my favorites things are MMOs and Star Wars. Soooo looking forward to this.
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Just look at the roster that Bioware is putting together at their Austin Based MMO facility and draw your own conclusions. Is it a KoToR MMO? Good chance, is it Star Wars based? I feel almost certainly:
http://gamezig.com/mmorpg/knights-of-the-old-republic-mmo
Now… will this be as good as SWG (NGE) or will it suck (like pre-CU did)
ROFL!!!!!!
The poster above me is hilarious.
LOL, anyone who says that kotor online is bad news just suck. I’ve played swg till that retard nge update what ruined it and it was my favorite game. But now only tards play swg. I hope kotor online comes soon and we can get that sw feeling again like before.
@ Raveen
You should check out http://www.swgemu.com
They are nearing completion of a free to play version of Pre-CU SWG. Look into it, it sounds like what you are looking for.
Sorry guys, it’s been confirmed, for better of for worst, that KOTOR 3 will -NOT- be their next MMO.
YES A KOTOR MMO I WILL KILL A GUY FOR THAT GAME
follow the dots from lucasarts and bioware its pretty easy to draw a kotor mmo conclusion. cant wait!!!!
1) I’d be all over a well-done KOTOR based MMO, or any SW-based MMO. Hell yes. I would have been happy with SWG done right. I never cared to be a Jedi - go have your fantasy in the Jedi Knight single player game if that’s your fancy. I was happy to be my own person and have my own story/adventure; simply “living” in the closest thing to the SW Universe we’ll see is/was enough for me.
2) An MMO in between EpII and EpIII (Clone Wars), or even between EpIII and EpIV might be really good too.
3) Regardless what time period, if Jedi are going to be a selectable “profession” there should still be whatever strong enforcement necessary to somehow promote or compell proper role playing by these Jedi. They should live by some kind of Jedi Code of conduct. Players should be compelled to be “good Jedi” and take on the roles seriously, or it just wont work. Lots of “noobs,” or just immature azzhats, with a light saber and Jedi powers WILL ruin the game. Period. Maybe, just have bad actions that go against the Code turn them into Dark Jedi - PERFECT! Dark Jedi are by definition bratty impatient and immature (haha, like some people describe Anakin in EpIII). However, this conduct Code must somehow also cover discussions with other players in-game, which is, basically, is part of the role playing aspect.
4) In general, George Lucas needs to take his Star Wars franchise with utmost seriousness and continue to work hard to protect the integrity of the Expanded Universe content (regardless of how well he has so far). He often cites that he doesnt care what others think - it’s his creation, his “art” and so he can do what he wants. Fine Lucas, but if you really care about your art, you’ll also care about protecting its integrity, not just for the fans, but for its survival. Sure, taking one’s self too seriously can be bad, but please take your work seriously to extent of dignifying and protecting it. Suggestions that Lucasarts was the one to push the NGE change to SWG, if true, would be contradictory and very disturbing for the future love of fans for the franchise.
5) To Duwhitegoku, and any others, if it’s SOME kind of MMO, and Lucasarts and Bioware are collaborating on it, what OTHER subject is it really likely to be?
6) Finally, as to the future of MMOs (this part may be too late for whatever Bioware has now set forth): I am all about a player-driven world, player-driven content; a virtual world where player actions have consequences, and matter; where experiences are infinitely diverse and “real,” and players have genuine interest and stake in the experience; where risk is real and thus so is the reward; a virtual world that is constantly changing to reflect the choices and actions of its inhabitants. Player driven content is key to sustainability (content creation is a huge task), and to relevance and compelling realism and experiences. Complexity, near-”atomistic” crafting, diverse player economies, huge variation of professions (combinations of skills makes more sense than specific pre-defined professions). To implement this in an IP-franchise-based MMO “game,” I suggest a balance between game developer action and player actions. That is, developers function to drive high-level story/plot events (i.e. they would play role of the Emperor, or Vader, thus ensuring canonistic integrity), while players handle many of the less visible but still critical roles within the political power structures.
OK. Thanks for reading.
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Congrats Primotech, donno how you did it but you called it and I salute you on this one
Thanks!
I think it would be a cool idea. IF THERE WERE NOT FREAKING MONTHLY FEES!!!
-in my opinion-
I think that they should make kotor 3 first and then make the mmo a seprate game that would be uhhhh…. better
I know I’m sold. =) Check out my website: http://www.kotor3mmo.com
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I hope, KOTOR 3 will continue the story of Kotor I & II, despite of MMO
I played SWG. It was the BEST MMO EVER! Varent did one hell of a job developing the Star Wars universe.. Then SOE took it over and drove it into the ground trying to make it like World of Warcraft. It was a persistent vibrant real time sand box MMO. Something that WoW is not.
I hope the don’t make this Zone Dependant like Conan and Guild Wars.. It ruins the virtual world immersion.
Why on earth would they make KotoR into a MMO ?
It doesn’t make any sense they have Star Wars Galaxies already why not simply revamp it instead?
The KotoR series have been some of the best hours i’ve spend on any RPG.
It’s supposed to be single player with a epic story.
You cannot get that with a MMO only RPG can deliver such a epic gameplay experience.
It could be friggin awesome but its going to be hard to bring the feel of the first 2 kotor to an mmo game. If it stays similar where 1 choice can hugely affect quest lines and even end game its gonna need a ton load of instances or variations for it to work. Definitley keeping an eye on this one
Kotor mmo is confirmed by EA as of 2 days ago, titles are gonna be Star Wars Legens or Star Wars The Old Republic.
I cant wait
Ok, nobody believed me in JULY OF 2007 when I took this survey:
http://www.ahazi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10846
Read it better here:
http://www.gamecarbon.com.
Yes, those are the only known details floating around. What has been cut and what remains out of those details will be known in the next year I’m sure.
30 metros de piroca no cu de todo mundo
I loved the kotor games and galaxies i just hope that whe they do make it you have to work to be a jedi like a reward how galaxies did in the begining because we dont want to see super buff jedi just walking the streets its got tobe special.
if its after the thought bomb then there will only be 2 sith so its either go before that break the rule of 2 or make being sith an actual challenge and make the game more fun
also names with any thing like vader or bane or chewbaca should be band
This i think will be great. i know its not a wrap up to the story but it’ll make exploring the planets much more fun, seeing as you can do it with some friends.
and 1 was sooooo much better than 2
noooooooo
why online??? we already have a bunch of online games on the PC!
I want to see the legendary RPG with an awesome storyline, not a MMORPG!
I hope Bioware will open their eyes and do KotOR 3
I am not going to pay to see what happened to Revan and Exile.
I just want to see the excellent RPG with great storyline, characters… like it happened when KotOR 1 was done.
KotOR was done to play singleplayer, not online.
I think that EA just want to get money by means of that great game. and EA will kiss my a** not take my money!
id love to see this have similar features to swg… and thank god its not in the hands of soe they completely destroyed swg.. it was better when they didnt have 900 “game enhancements.” i was screwed out of a good amount of money with that shit.. i payed 60 dollars or so for the jump to lightspeed and then they happen to give it free to everyone a few months later.. bioware should be able to do a better job…
Holy crap some of you need to take a breath, chill and THINK for a moment… because you’re very confused.
Star Wars : The Old Republic MMORPG doesn’t = KOTOR 3. KOTOR 3 could still very well happen, the new SW MMORPG is simply using a time period of Star Wars in which KOTOR was based, spanning thousands of years.
LucasArts still intends to make KOTOR 3 ’some day’, but who will develop it is as uncertain as the fate of the game. BioWare made I, Obsidian made II. Would BioWare make III? Who knows… we can only hope.
Im looking forward to this, hopefuly it will not disappoint me.
iv been waiting for the next kotor game and hell yea, 2009, hope to play it!! the other ones are good, and the online feature is gonna make this one so much better
PLEASE PLEASE, DONT DO THIS BIOWARE! KOTOR IS MY FAVORITE GAME EVER YOU WILL RUIN IT BY MAKING IT AN MMO, JUST MAKE KOTOR 3. PLEASE!
Indeed,
Just make KOTOR 3 and finish it.
Don`t leave us hanging like you did with
KOTOR 2
God I cant belive this.EA has gone far enough with destroying divine games like KOTOR.If in this MMO they even try to put Revan and Exile and finish the story i will not buy anything from EA anymore.I really hope they are making something not related to Revan/Exile story cause that will be butchering of one of the greatest RPG’s ever created!Im sorry people but there is a small chance that they wont try to put an end to the story in MMO!I think this will be a doomsday device for EA!
Are you people idiots or something? quit crying.
It’s an MMO based in the KOTOR universe, It doesn’t mean it’s a continuation of the previous games stories, as I’m positive there is alot of other stories to be told in that time period. Hell, there could be a KOTOR3 in development at this very moment, waiting for an announcement.
Also quit whining about EA as if it’s their fault, the MMO was in development long before EA bought out Bioware. So just wait and see, and whine and cry and bitch and moan when more information is released.
I agree with Knicky, Quit whining !
This is not a MMO version of KOTOR. It’s a StarWars MMO based on the same time period. The making of a StarWars MMO does not render improbable the making of another single player such as KOTOR. I have been hoping for competent people to make a new StarWars MMO, ever since SOE trashed SWG, and I am quite confident that Bioware will do a splendid job, as they always have.
Bice najbolja igrica svih vremena,samo je napravite.Jedva cekam….
Love how people keep crying about this . Everybody crying here wants to be important , change the universe . I’d love to be the republic soldier who kills a sith lord , a mandelorian killing his first jedi , … Just think of all the possibilities of this game , of the MMO type of game . Unless they haven’t learned anything from previous mmo’s , this will be a success .
I’d love to see a single player too , but nobody said this would be part of the Revan/exile story . Just see it as a different game based on the same timeline of the SW(kotor) universe for now .
On a sidenote , monthly fees help keeping everything up to date , should ensure good player support and perhaps some expansions . Think of it this way , the more money they make on this game , the more they can spend on the development of future games like KoTOR 3 :p .
I will cry if this game makes you pay like 10$ a month or something, just make it you buy it you play as long as you like, or better make it F2P (Free to Play)
~RF~
I just hope it wont become a Jedicentric wankathon where anyone who isnt a Jedi will be second rate.
I also hope there will be stuff for solo players to do
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THIS IS GAY BEYOND ALL COMPARE MMO’S SUCK
Personally I can’t wait for this MMO would b sweet and all though Ive not tried the SWG im personally into WOW. I loved KOTOR on my xbox
This is fantastic. I’d get a Star Wars MMO in the future even if it had terrible reviews.
Hope they consider Macintosh users … unlike with SWG.
Honestly I don’t know what to think. I was a SWG fan and played for years. It sounds interesting as long as they have it balanced when it comes out so we don’t have the issues with things like combat updates … and later things like NGE to have it so x-box can play it as well. I don’t mind playing a game where there is a change made provided that change doesn’t destroy the game play of the game. Yes the game may not be as bad as it was but it’s never the same when you play an awesome released game and have the whole game play change not once but twice in the life of the game from kick butt to barely making it to it’s ok. I blamed Sony for the CU update but I blame LA for the NGE. Changes like that are hard on the players who played it from the start and got to love the game from release date as they know the previous potential of the game and in this case it was a serious loss to many players. Even now people in game still take time to reflect on pre-cu days. I just hope the next SW based MMORPG isn’t rushed and is well balanced and that LA will allow the game makers to create and make the game world as long as it sticks to the story line and just collect the royalties lol. It seems that once they get involved to much the game goes to hell and then all LA wants to do is blame the game devlopers and take no blame for it at all so they don’t have responsibility to the game fans. I don’t recall LA taking any blame for the NGE I recall the people were all mad at sony. They even had to take the live chat that you could talk on while the servers were loading down because of all the people beings jerks to em.
I can’t foresee it being much different from SWG. If it is supposed to follow the time line of KOTOR there would be nearly no Jedi left cause of the Mandalorian Wars and Jedi Civil War. You’d have to start off as a petty marksman or melee combatant and work you way up to Jedi if you decide to. Maybe a master/apprentice system would be cool.
K LISTEN TO THIS IF YOU CARE ABOUT KOTOR AT ALL….
i bet no1 here every thought of comparing WoW and KoToR.
look at it hordes, allience, light side, dark side, then u get to the races, WoW lots of races, SW tons of races, WoW giant world, SW KotoR, a freakin galaxy,
WEAPONS,
crossbow,that crossbow gun that chewy has,
gun-pisol
sword, lightsaber
it goes on and on…
Armor,
Jedi/Sith-cloth
Bounty hounters-plate armor
and so on
paladin,mage,warlock,warrior…
sith,(later on recieve rank of)sith master, sith lord, sith assassin,jedi(later on…),jedi consular, jedi guardian, jedi master, jedi knight, mandalorian(when reach highest lvl recieve quest to get rank of mandalore)
WoW didnt really have a huge rep before it came out, look at SW KoToR this is probably the most anticipated game to come out… i pitty u mindless people who cant see the potential for this game. This WILL destroy WoW if bioware doesnt F up
Apparently, the long-rumored BioWare MMO based on the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic franchise will finally be announced by the end of the month, according to sources close to CVG
http://digg.com/pc_games/LucasArts_ready_to_unveil_KOTOR_MMORPG_by_BioWare_in_October
Until we know when its set and whether it will continue the story or fill out the earlier conflicts i’m not getting my hopes up to high. I’d be way more excited if it was kotor 3 but i’ll wait until the official announcement i guess.
Okay, first off, KOTOR bored me as a single player RPG. But an MMORPG…
WOULD BE TOTALLY FREAKING CRAZY.
so if we wanted to get kotor online how would we get it? would it be purchased or a download?
i personally hope its free but if not i hope its less than $10 a month ^^
Why do you guys want the game to be without monthly fee !?
I rather pay some more for quality then that i play a crap game for free.
Besides, you work for an hour or 2 hours for some maybe and you can play for a month, what’s the problem with that ?
Everything good has its price you know.
OH Please let this be true PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ! ! ! =)
i don’t get it why not just make another knights of the old republic for game stations insted of for internet?
I hope this is not a mmo, ive been waiting so many years to find out where and how the exile and revan are linked, and if they meet/fight and who wins. There is so much that could happen another rpg a mmo sorta limits ya options and give a thought for the poor folk who core afford to spend money every month just to play a game, id rather pay upfront and have a game tht actually has a story.
It is real! They are gonna mix MMO and storytelling(Matrix Online tried this) …so lets see how well it works. Maybe we’ll get to play as droids
http://www.swtor.com/
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It’s been confirmed. If no-one posted that before :).
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Awesome, this will sure make me quit wow =]
I’ve never played KOTOR but looks awesome
SWG was the best MMO before that patch…….another star wars mmo would make me die a happy man
I agree very strongly, SWG was indeed THE BEST MMO before the patch. Ive played like 8 MMOs including WOW, and i believe SWG is the best. Another Star Wars mmo is a great idea and i would definately play. KOTOR is awesome btw, if u havent played its great, ive played 1 and 2.
KOTOR III will be a MMO ?
bad news.
I think its gonna be big big and big!!! I also hope its coming for europe to! I played the 2 kotor games and i really liked it..maybe its gonna be that good!
OMG Nice , i hear so many people happy about this game , i mean i play swg i left before the patch came out then i came back and i recently had to relearn the game i mean i just spent tons of money and time making my char as powerfull as it was before the nge patch,
now a new Starwars MMO is coming online i really hope its nothing like WoW because i was so excited when Wow came out then i played it and it sucked so bad , so i will buy this game as long as it has a good game play and dialog between light and dark jedi wooo hoo if it does im there as a dark jedi ., good luck with this new one.
I hope to Avo that this has a free subsction i stoped playing WoW and SWG because i dint have the money every month to pay any more so it will be gay as hell if this ist free to play ill pay for the game but if its not free i might have to say no
oh and When dose this game come out???? enless it alredy has?? (LOL clueless)
Umm… guys if any of you bought screenfun or anything you would see that kotor online isn’t a fake so… It will come out in 2009. Your personality will depend on your actions and answers just like Mass Effect. You will be able to be everything… I mean knight, guardian, sentinel, counselor, etc. and sith trooper,knight,lord… I can’t wait for it either and i hope it is free but even if it isn’t… Plenty of money around and plenty of time to work for it… Plenty of time to play it… I will probably be back with more info on it later as soon as i find some…
Xavar
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Man, i heard these games , the fights are just movies , and u have to upgrade ur stats byt fights are just movies, and too its nothing more , its like the game force unleashed , but wen u pass the game get to enter an arena or something about pvp at the end , nothing more , it suks , and too wut do u do to get , everygame suks at the starts , then it starts to get more ideas , and when it gets better noone plays it
when will this be out i Really wanna play it. I’m a jedi Knighht waiting for the right game.
When this is out i will download it… HUGE fan of star wars Kotor games got my self to a Sith Lord on 2nd game. Only problem for this type of games are the game play the click and play type and that wont be so nice on Massive Multiplayer Online so need that fixed
I like kotor for its storyline not for its gameplay but i would still like if it would be rpg
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Интересно, но все же хотелось бы побольше узнать об этом. Понравилась статья!:-)
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